tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post2493947763021227340..comments2023-11-20T00:01:14.642-05:00Comments on YesBiscuit!: Shelter Pets - What's Your Goal?YesBiscuit!http://www.blogger.com/profile/13827466504671715047noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-5812998730801228432010-02-20T15:29:05.307-05:002010-02-20T15:29:05.307-05:00EmilyS - I think most people understand that the t...EmilyS - I think most people understand that the term "no kill shelter" means a shelter that does not kill savable pets but does euthanize those suffering and medically hopeless. I've never heard a pet owner say, with regard to euthanizing his own pet, "I had to have him killed". Most people do understand that it is a kindness to euthanize and that it's different YesBiscuit!https://www.blogger.com/profile/13827466504671715047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-54966688294387293742010-02-20T10:28:16.127-05:002010-02-20T10:28:16.127-05:00Liz - Obviously *I* can't solve the issues res...Liz - Obviously *I* can't solve the issues resulting in needless shelter pet killing. It takes the entire community - and every community in the country. That's my hope - that everyone commits to saving shelter pets instead of killing them. Semantics aside, I honestly believe we're closer to that than we might think.YesBiscuit!https://www.blogger.com/profile/13827466504671715047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-3912081182290895072010-02-19T21:49:19.341-05:002010-02-19T21:49:19.341-05:00I have to say that, working day in and day out wit...I have to say that, working day in and day out with the "general pet owning population", I agree with Emily. At least in this area, "no kill" does not mean to the average pet owner what it means to the knowledgeable dog blogger. Many clients that I work with hear the phrase and think crazy dog hoarders and warehouses. <br /><br />And I thought that too for quite awhile. I'Katiehttp://underdogged.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-15734307147192097532010-02-19T20:39:07.373-05:002010-02-19T20:39:07.373-05:00What do you recommend then? Can YOU build more she...What do you recommend then? Can YOU build more shelters? You can't pack 15 dogs into a kennel. <br /><br />I don't see why this is even an issue. Sometimes, euthanasia HAS to happen. It ALWAYS will, it's just something we have to get used to. <br /><br />I don't agree with euthanizing for space, or breed.SCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18390140935833841647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-63541341795324843662010-02-19T18:18:09.015-05:002010-02-19T18:18:09.015-05:00Brent, I'm pretty sure that all the "no k...Brent, I'm pretty sure that all the "no kill" advocates talking to each other on these blogs understand what they REALLY mean by "no" kill (which is "of course we're still going to kill SOME and we always will"). I'm pretty sure the general public has not a clue about this truth (as it has no clue about the truth of how many nice animals shelters kill).EmilySnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-1230800246806450112010-02-19T15:17:56.125-05:002010-02-19T15:17:56.125-05:00"Until the pet population is under control, p..."Until the pet population is under control, places HAVE to euthanize for space."<br /><br />No. Shelters HAVE to shelter (protect) pets. Slaughterhouses have to kill for space.<br /><br />MSN has caused increases in shelter deaths over and over where it's been enacted. I strongly oppose MSN for that and other reasons.YesBiscuit!https://www.blogger.com/profile/13827466504671715047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-18289834747524557152010-02-19T13:48:08.875-05:002010-02-19T13:48:08.875-05:00By "not practical" I mean there aren'...By "not practical" I mean there aren't enough homes, and there aren't enough funds even if the animal IS healthy. <br /><br />Like I said before, if it's a COUNTY RUN shelter, they are on a budget - They IN MOST CASES cannot afford to treat even treatable conditions. <br /><br />Again, space is also an issue. Until the pet population is under control, places HAVE to SCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18390140935833841647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-5587798907736620982010-02-19T10:22:26.671-05:002010-02-19T10:22:26.671-05:00How about rather than "Kill or "No Kill&...How about rather than "Kill or "No Kill" we give shelters a rating like a 4 "Star" Hotel, a 4"R" shelter. All the policies of the No Kill Equation still apply but we evaluate the shelter on 1. Reduce TNR S/N and education.2. Rehab medical and behavioral 3.Re home off site extended hours 4. Report quarterly stats collectively on money spent and individually on Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-16072953941950588242010-02-19T08:52:38.127-05:002010-02-19T08:52:38.127-05:00Liz - in what way is it not "practical" ...Liz - in what way is it not "practical" to stop killing healthy/treatable shelter pets? I would argue that it is more than practical - it is possible, desirable and ethically necessary.<br /><br />Emily - it seems to me as if your first paragraph stands in opposition to your second. Can you clarify?YesBiscuit!https://www.blogger.com/profile/13827466504671715047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-32498208630144908442010-02-18T22:42:33.803-05:002010-02-18T22:42:33.803-05:00With all due respect Emily, you are one of the few...With all due respect Emily, you are one of the few who seems confused by the name. Most people do get it...and you almost seem, at this point, to be intentionally not getting it in some weird attempt to undermine matters.<br /><br />It is obvious to pretty much everyone else that when people say "no kill" they don't intend to keep really sick, terminally ill animals alive just for Brenthttp://kcdogblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-87436886592798342892010-02-18T20:10:31.505-05:002010-02-18T20:10:31.505-05:00I disagree strongly with the attempt of "no k...I disagree strongly with the attempt of "no kill" advocates to put a different name on the category of dogs they agree it may sadly be best to kill. Killing is killing whether you want to soften the act by calling it "euthanasia" or something else.<br /><br />I strongly believe that the insistence on the term "no kill" is a serious flaw in the movement. I agree 100EmilySnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3536020437295001618.post-70156364673384139382010-02-18T19:17:12.463-05:002010-02-18T19:17:12.463-05:00My opinion is, we will NEVER be a "no kill&qu...My opinion is, we will NEVER be a "no kill" nation. It just isn't practical. <br /><br />A lot of County shelters are considered "high kill" because they do not have the funding to treat animals, and do not have the space to house animals. <br /><br />In addition, it's not just black and white. It's not "kill" or "no kill" - There is a fine lineSCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18390140935833841647noreply@blogger.com